Alison Flood, The Guardian
In a second live public interview with novelist Marilynne Robinson, the US premier says fiction helps us to find truth in a complex world
Barack Obama has said that novels taught him the most important things he has learned about being a citizen.
Interviewing Marilynne Robinson in the second instalment of a two-part interview for the New York Review of Books ( also available as audio ), the American president asked the author if she was worried about people not reading novels anymore, as they are overwhelmed by flashier ways to pass the time. For himself, Obama said, when I think about how I understand my role as citizen, setting aside being president, and the most important set of understandings that I bring to that position of citizen, the most important stuff Ive learned I think Ive learned from novels.
It has to do with empathy, Obama told Robinson in a conversation which is published in the 19 November issue of the New York Review of Books. It has to do with being comfortable with the notion that the world is complicated and full of greys, but theres still truth there to be found, and that you have to strive for that and work for that. And the notion that its possible to connect with some[one] else even though theyre very different from you.
Last November, Obama visited an independent Washington DC bookshop, Politics and Prose, where he bought novels including Richard Flanagans Booker winner The Narrow Road to the Deep North, Colm Tóibíns Nora Webster, Joseph Conrads Heart of Darkness, Denis Johnsons The Laughing Monsters and Anthony Doerrs All the Light We Cannot See.
Robinson, whose novel Gilead won her the Pulitzer prize and Home, which won the Orange , told the president that literature at present is full to bursting, and while no book can sell in that way that Gone with the Wind sold, there is an incredible variety of voices in contemporary writing.
You know people say, is there an American tradition surviving in literature, and yes, our tradition is the incredible variety of voices, she said.
Obama responded that it isnt that Americans dont read; Its that everybody is reading [in] their niche, and so often, at least in the media, theyre reading stuff that reinforces their existing point of view. And so you dont have that phenomenon of heres a set of great books that everybody is familiar with and everybody is talking about.
Television shows can fill that void, he felt, but we dont have a lot of common reference points. And in a world where a premium is placed on the sensational and the most outrageous or a conflict as a way of getting attention and breaking through the noise, a pessimism about the country develops.
Because all those quiet, sturdy voices that we were talking about at the beginning, theyre not heard, said Obama. Its not interesting to hear a story about some good people in some quiet place that did something sensible and figured out how to get along.
The first part of the conversation between Obama and Robinson, which took place in September in Des Moines, Iowa, was published two weeks ago .
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